Out and Back
Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.
Episodes
#58 - Live from Chicago with Eric Floberg: Berlin Reflections, Race Day Strategy & Marathon Predictions
The Out & Back Podcast hits the road for its first-ever live show! Recorded at Fleet Feet the day before the Chicago Marathon, Rory Linkletter and Jacob are joined by Chicago's own Eric Floberg for a conversation about racing, training, and everything that comes with marathon weekend.Eric opens up about his recent Berlin Marathon, where a difficult lead-up and unexpected challenges kept him from the race he had hoped for. The three discuss what happens when a marathon doesn't go to plan, the mental side of racing, and the lessons that come from chasing big goals.They also look ahead to Chicago with course insights, race day advice, bold predictions, and questions from the live audience. It's a special episode celebrating the running community that has grown around Out & Back over its first year.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.OS1st: Your shoes are only half the battle on race day! OS1st makes performance socks with targeted compression, including their lightweight Thin Air socks designed to keep your feet cool and comfortable. Find them at os1st.com or your local Fleet Feet. GIVEAWAY: We're giving away 20 pairs of OS1st Thin Air socks! Head to our Instagram to enter for your chance to win.Transparent Labs: Fuel your training with protein, creatine, electrolytes, and more from Transparent Labs. Use code FLAGSTAFF for a discount on your first order.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#57 - Chicago Predictions
Fall marathon season is here. Rory and Jacob catch up on their own training before recapping Berlin and looking ahead to Chicago, including their picks for the top Americans, the women’s race up front, and the athletes they’re watching.Then, with Chicago around the corner, they break down their approach to the final weeks of marathon training: when to schedule the last big workout, how much to taper, what to do when training doesn’t go to plan, and why the biggest goal now is simply not screwing up all the work you’ve already done.Plus, updates on Valencia and CIM, pacing duties in Chicago, and the Out & Back live show.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Transparent Labs: Fuel your training with protein, creatine, electrolytes, and more from Transparent Labs. Use code FLAGSTAFF for a discount on your first order.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#56 - Jadyn Keeler Breaks the Canadian Record + What’s Next in the Marathon
Fresh off a Canadian half marathon record, Jadyn Keeler joins Rory and Jacob in Flagstaff to break down her 68:03 performance at the World Road Running Championships in Copenhagen.Jadyn shares how the race unfolded, what changed during her first training block in Flagstaff, and how years of patient development at the University of North Dakota helped set up her breakout performance. She also talks about training under Terrence Mahon, her plans to make her marathon debut this spring, and her bigger goal of making Canada’s 2028 Olympic marathon team.Plus, Rory and Jacob recap the rest of Copenhagen, including the standout performances, the American results, and Rory’s own experience racing Worlds.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#55 - Vinny Mauri’s 45-Mile Workout Days + World Road Running Champs Preview
Rory is in Copenhagen for the World Road Running Championships, Jacob is getting ready to open his season at the Cow Harbor 10K, and Vinny Mauri joins the show three weeks out from the Chicago Marathon.Vinny takes us inside the unconventional training that has taken over Strava, including 45-mile workout days, 140-mile weeks, massive treadmill sessions at Planet Fitness, and 11 long runs over 25 miles. He explains why he’s leaned so heavily into volume, how he’s making the marathon feel “short,” where his confidence comes from heading into Chicago, and how he plans to taper after his biggest training block yet.Before and after Vinny, Rory and Jacob preview the World Road Running Championships, catch up on their own training and racing, and break down World Ultimate.Plus, the guys announce an Out & Back live event during Chicago Marathon weekend. Grab your tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/out-back-podcast-with-rory-linkletter-and-jacob-thomson-tickets-2000969887799Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#54 - Ahmed Muhumed Takes on the Marathon
Ahmed Muhumed joins Jacob and Rory ahead of the World Road Running Championships in Copenhagen and his highly anticipated marathon debut at the New York City Marathon.Ahmed talks about what has changed as he makes the jump to 26.2, including running the highest mileage of his career, taking fueling seriously for the first time, and learning from some of the best marathoners around him. He also turns the tables on Jacob and Rory to ask what they’ve learned from their own marathon experience, from surviving the inevitable rough patches to fueling, bottle chaos and building legs that can handle the distance.They also get into why Ahmed specifically chose New York for his debut, studying every NYC Marathon since 2014, training with a stacked NAZ Elite crew, and what he needs to learn over the next year and a half to put himself in position to contend for the 2028 Olympic team.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#53 - Jess McClain Is Thinking Bigger: Boston, World Champs & NYC
Jess McClain is back on Out & Back, and a lot has changed since her first visit.After finishing as the top American and setting the American course record at the Boston Marathon, Jess says the conversation has shifted. Being the top American is still meaningful, but now she wants to see herself as a factor internationally and start thinking about podiums.Jess joins Jacob and Rory from Flagstaff as she prepares to represent Team USA at the World Half Marathon Championships in Copenhagen before turning her attention to the New York City Marathon. They talk about her close second-place finish at Falmouth, how her mindset around marathon training has changed, the gear-shifting workouts that used to intimidate her, and why she actually turned around for a bottle during Boston.They also get into clean sport and drug testing, balancing professional running with a life and career outside of the sport, and Jess's new role as a small part owner of The Marathon Project. Plus, Jess shares what she wants out of Copenhagen, including why an American record isn't out of the question, even if racing the people around her comes first.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#52 - Mailbag Episode: Yomif's World Record, World Ultimate Wild Cards, and Listener Q&A
Episode 52 kicks off with the announcement of the Out and Back live show at Chicago Marathon weekend, Saturday noon at Fleet Feet Chicago, 100-125 tickets at $15 a pop with a swag bag worth way more than that. Then it's current events: Seb Coe gives Jakob and Kerr wild cards for the World Ultimate Championships so we get the matchup everyone wants, Ethan Strand wins a Diamond League in his first race since Jonah Koech's doping ban was announced, Parker Wolf and Graham Blanks run down Cameron Myers at Zurich, and Yomif Kejelcha runs 56:51 in Buenos Aires for a world record that has some people asking questions about the splits. They also get into the unusual nitrous drink, Sawe scratching from Berlin, and Valencia potentially becoming the fall race of the year. Then it's the mailbag: mistakes athletes make that are easily fixed, training in hot climates, top three exercises for durability, hills, double threshold, why they don't do it twice a week, and where the marathon and half marathon records land by 2030.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#51 - Between Reps: NYC Fields, Edmonton Half, European Champs, Race Schedule Updates
Jacob is in Kelowna visiting John Gay, and Rory is back in Flagstaff holding it down after defending his Canadian Half Marathon championship in Edmonton, on a course that turned out to be too long. They break down the race, Rory's Tour de France style breakaway attack at 8K and the backwards finish line crossing. Then it's on to European Championships: Jakob's return after ten months away, Almgren lapping the field in the 10K and then announcing a surprise marathon debut at New York City, and Femke Bol continuing her 800 meter experiment with another PR. The crew runs a snake draft of the New York City pro marathon fields, Rory announces his Brussels hour run was canceled, Jacob confirms he's out of Chicago and headed to Valencia and CIM instead, and they close out with the Jonah Koech doping suspension: a US 1500 champion caught by the biological passport, quietly banned for a year before anyone said anything publicly.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions
Episode 50 means it's time for another call-in show. Six guests phone in with hot takes, hypotheticals, and questions Jacob and Rory answer completely on the fly. No prep, no notes, just riffing.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKJoin our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#49 Truett Hanes on Chasing the OTQ and Going All In on a Goal That Scares You
Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/Truett Hanes is in Flagstaff for a three-week training camp, halfway through it when this was recorded, and it's the most structured he's ever approached running. You probably know him from the pull-up world record, the blue jean marathons, or the Leadville 100 buckle, but now he's locked in on one thing: the Olympic Trials qualifier. Rory coaches him through Let's Tango, and this conversation covers how someone who bulldozed their way to a 2:29 on pure willpower had to completely rethink their approach, what the training has looked like in Flagstaff, and why the jump from 2:30 to OTQ is a different animal than anything he's done before. They also get into the haters, his dad's 11-minute marathon PR at 58, what it actually means to call your shot publicly, and some genuinely good advice on storytelling and content for anyone trying to build an audience around a big goal.Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Aqua Omega: a high dose, concentrated omega-3 from sustainably sourced anchovies, third-party tested, no fish burps, and for every bottle sold they remove one pound of plastic from the ocean. Use code OUTNBACK for 20% off at myAquaOmega.com/outandbackMeteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKMerch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
#48 Vincent Ciattei on Winning the US 5000m Title, Training as a Miler at Altitude, and the Dark Sky Squad
Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/Vincent Ciattei comes straight off USA Track and Field Championships in New York where he finished second in the 1500 by five hundredths of a second, sent a message to his college group chat saying he was winning the 5K the next day, and then did exactly that. First Dark Sky teammate on the pod, and one of the more interesting training conversations the show has had. Vincent is a 3:48 miler running 90-mile weeks at 7,000 feet, doing double threshold, hill circuits at Marshall Lake, and long tempos down in Camp Verde, and this year it all clicked. They get into what a training cycle actually looks like for a mid-distance guy, how he thinks about threshold intensity control, why the 5K is becoming a legitimate weapon for elite milers, what Dark Sky's massive training group brings out in each other, and the broader conversation around why the best Americans keep skipping USAs in off years and what could be done about it.Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#47 Between Reps: Josh Kerr's Record, USAs, and Training Updates
MERCH: https://outandback.shop/Jacob and Rory are back in Flagstaff after weeks on the road, and Jacob gives an update on his Achilles: no pain in four weeks, mileage climbing back up, and marathon training officially back on. They dig into the Chicago Marathon field announcement, with Sharon Lokedi as the headline story and a stacked American men's field chasing fast times. Then Josh Kerr's mile world record takes over, from the race itself to whether he could go after the 1500m record next, and why USA Outdoor Championships keep losing their biggest names to Europe. They close out with listener questions on training locations, gear from their college days, favorite non-major marathons, and what kids at running camp do better than grown adults.https://www.thomsontraining.run/https://www.letstango.run/Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK
#46 Madey Dickson on Running 2:28 at Boston, Working Full Time as a Nurse, and Chasing Big Goals at Berlin
Madey Dickson is a full-time ICU and ER nurse who runs 100 miles a week, smashed the OTQ by nine minutes at Boston, and won Puma's Project Three, all while working 12-hour shifts. Rory coaches her and they were teammates at BYU, where she was a middle distance runner who stumbled into the marathon almost by accident. They talk training around a nurse's schedule, self belief, the Berlin build, and what the 2028 Olympic Trials could look like for her.Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Join our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#45 Between Reps - Summer Heat Training, Josh Kerr's World Record Attempt, and Fall Marathon Field Rumors With Chris Striegel
Jacob, Rory, and Chris Striegel of the Life in Stride Podcast check in for a between reps episode packed with summer training talk and fall marathon buzz. They start with heat training -- what Chris is doing in Kentucky with a newborn, what Jacob survived in Orange Beach, and how to stop panicking about pace when it's 90 degrees and humid. They recap their Fourth of July races in Lexington and Rory's athlete Madey Dixon winning the downtown Flagstaff Mile in a course record. Then it's current events: Josh Kerr's world record attempt in the mile, Faith Kipyegon's first 1500 loss in five years to Nikki Hiltz, and what to watch at USA Track and Field Championships. They close out with fall marathon field speculation, Vinny Mauri's treadmill long run hype, and whether Athing Mu has quietly stepped away from the sport.Follow ChrisJoin our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#44 NAZ Elite Coach Jack Mullaney on Building Team Culture, Alex Masai's Breakout, and Marathon Training Philosophy
Jack Mullaney, head coach of NAZ Elite, joins Jacob and Rory at the Run Flagstaff studio for episode 44. Jack walked into one of the most storied professional running programs in the country two and a half years ago as a first-time head coach, inheriting a team mid-transition and figuring out how to build something that felt like his own. He talks about how he navigated that, what his five C's of coaching actually look like in practice, and why connection is the foundation he keeps coming back to. The conversation gets into the weeds on training philosophy: his three non-negotiables, why he's skeptical of silver bullet trends, and how he thinks about keeping all paces present year-round. They also deep dive into specifics of some of Jack's athletes' training and performances. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKGoodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Join our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#43 Steph Bruce on 20 Years as a Pro, Founding Picky Bars, the Stamata Project, and What Comes Next
Steph Bruce joins Jacob and Rory at the new Run Flagstaff studio for episode 43 -- recorded six days after she and Rory both ran the Broken Arrow Sky Race Ascent. They start there, comparing notes on what is genuinely the hardest race either of them has ever done, and why neither of them were as prepared as they thought. From there the conversation opens up into Steph's full arc: the origin of Picky Bars, built out of a Eugene apartment with Lauren Fleshman and Jesse Thomas and eventually sold to Laird Hamilton's company; the NAZ Elite years and what that team did to change how professional running groups operate; her current role leading the Tracksmith Stamata project, which supports women chasing the Olympic Trials qualifier; and where she sees herself going now that trail and uphill racing have entered the picture. Nine Olympic Trials, a 15:17 5K, a 2:27 marathon, and she's still figuring out what's next. Honest, funny, and worth the full listen.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKThis episode is brought to you in part by Amazfit. Rory wore the Amazfit T-Rex 3 at Broken Arrow, where pace data goes out the window and elevation, distance, and heart rate are all that matter. Check out his full Broken Arrow race video on his personal YouTube channel here -- one of the best produced videos he's put out yet.Join our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#42 Listener Q & A - Broken Arrow & MRI Update
NEW MERCH: https://outandback.shop/Jacob and Rory check in on what's been a rocky few weeks for Jacob's Achilles -- paratendon inflammation that's forced him to pull most of his summer road races and lean hard into cross training. Rory previews his Broken Arrow Sky Race Ascent debut, his first pro trail outing, and explains why he picked the climb over a longer technical race. They also run through current events: Time's Most Influential list snubbing Noah Lyles, Cape Town joining the World Marathon Majors, the Kenyan takeover of NCAA distance running, and that bicarb ad. Then it's a full listener Q&A -- 23 questions covering rest weeks, double threshold training, shoe contracts, beer mile predictions, podcast white whales, and the worst training advice circulating online right now.goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKKava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 Join our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#41 Brady Holmer - High Carb Evidence, Ketone, and How to Actually Sleep Before a Race
Brady Holmer is back for his third appearance, which officially makes him the most tenured guest in Out and Back history. He's a week out from Grandma's Marathon, coming off a stress injury and a training block built around high bike volume, durability workouts, and progression long runs in the Texas heat. The conversation covers a lot of ground: what the research actually says about high carb fueling (and where the evidence gets murky), why the crossover point matters more than oxidation rates, gel selection and why he's cycling between multiple products, a new ketone IQ study showing a 15% boost in EPO production post-exercise, and what Nomeo is actually doing in the body. Then Jacob admits he spent race night at the New York Half taking Advil PM every hour hoping to knock out, and Brady walks through what the research says about sleep before races -- including why trying harder to fall asleep is the worst thing you can do.ZBiotics: This episode is brought to you by ZBiotics, a pre-alcohol probiotic drink designed to break down the toxic byproduct that builds up in your gut when you drink -- so you can have a good night and still show up for your long run the next morning. Go to zbiotics.com/outandback, use code OUT AND BACK for 15% off your first order. Backed by a 100% money back guarantee.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKJoin our Strava groupBuy merch: https://outandback.shop/Follow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsBrady's training block and Grandma's Marathon prepDurability workouts: combining bike and runHeat training in TexasWhat the research actually says about high carb fuelingGel strategy, product lineup, and decoupling fuel from hydrationNew ketone IQ study: EPO production and recoveryNomeo: how it actually works (and what we don't know)Sleep before a race: why trying harder makes it worseRecovery modalities: red light, ice bath, and compression boots rankedRapid fire: cross training, electrolytes, and pre-race caffeine
#40 David Roche - The Rules of High Carb Training, How to Train the Gut, Fatigue Resistance, & Training the Pros
David Roche -- ultra marathoner, elite running coach, and what Rory's calling the godfather of the high carb revolution -- joins the Out and Back for episode 40. He started as a running back at Columbia, spent years coaching before ever being competitive himself, and broke the Leadville 100 course record in 2024 (and again in 2025!) largely by stress-testing the same principles he'd been building with his athletes. The conversation covers a lot of ground: how he thinks about carb intake across different race distances, why he separates hydration from fueling, the case for uphill treadmill threshold work, what unites his coaching across trail, road, and ultra, and why he keeps looking to cycling for answers the running world is slow to ask. David on InstagramDavid's WebsiteMeteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKgoodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKKava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 Join our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#39 Between Reps - Ottawa Marathon Edition
Olympian John Gay, host of the Shakeout Podcast, joins Jacob and Rory one week out from the Ottawa Marathon where John ran 2:14 in his debut and Rory ran 2:09 for third place to close out his spring season. They break down both races, talk conditions, pacing strategy gone wrong, a certain Prime Minister phone call, and a lot more. Also on the docket: the Bolder Boulder DQ situation, Parker Valby's return at Track Fest, Kipchoge's continental tour, the new World Athletics qualifying standards, and the US World Half Marathon team announcement.Stay connected with John:The Shakeout PodcastJohn on InstagramMeteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsTimestamps0:00 -- Intro2:00 -- Ottawa recap, John's debut8:00 -- Race conditions and why times were slower14:00 -- Rory's race and the Mark Carney moment21:00 -- The Prime Minister phone call, play by play27:00 -- Bolder Boulder: Emad Bashir Mohammed DQ'd33:00 -- Should Bolder Boulder open the pro field?38:00 -- Cape Town Marathon and Kipchoge's continental tour43:00 -- Should the World Marathon Majors expand?48:00 -- World Athletics qualifying standards54:00 -- Marathon pacing strategy (and a Chicago horror story)58:00 -- Parker Valby at Track Fest, Habtom Samuel's NCAA record1:09:00 -- Connor Mantz named to US World Half team1:12:00 -- US Women's World Half team situation explained1:14:00 -- Closing, hats shipped, coaching links
#38 Vinny Mauri - Untold Stories from a 2:05 Marathon Debut + Training with the Out & Back Boys in Flagstaff soon?
Blue Collar Middle America Hero Vincent Mauri joins the Out & Back podcast from his woodworking shop after working a full days shift at the local running store. We know he's been on about every podcast out there at this point but we got him to tell some new stories and also discuss his future training and racing plans, hiring an agent, and trying to land a shoe dealgoodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order.Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKKava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 ZBiotics: Learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use OUTANDBACK at zbiotics.com/OUTANDBACKVinny's StravaJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory's Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#37 Molly Seidel - Marathons to Trails, Western States 100 miler, How to keep running fun
Olympic marathon medalist turned trail runner, Molly Seidel, talks about her path from the roads to the trails. From the pavement to trail races to the high-altitude training that supports her quest for Western States, she shares behind-the-scenes insights you won’t hear anywhere else.Perfect for marathoners curious about trail running, road runners exploring ultra distances, or endurance athletes seeking fresh perspective—this episode opens a window into the future of multi-disciplinary excellence.MERCH: https://outandback.shop/SPONSORS:Meteo Pace App Code: OUTANDBACK for 20% offCure HydrationZBiotics Code: OUTANDBACK for 15% off
#36 - How to taper for a Marathon and How to Recover After | Shakeout Podcast with John Gay
How to taper for a marathon, How to recover after a marathon & much more, on The Shakeout Podcast with John Gay ahead of his marathon debut.Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandbackCode: OUTANDBACK15Check out the Meteo Pace App to be prepared for your next raceJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#35 Between Reps - London Marathon, 2:05 in Ohio, Has the marathon changed forever? Listener Questions!
We try to make sense of the London Marathon, compare it to the Boston Marathon, Talk about the crazy 2:05 in Toledo Ohio and then follow up with some listener questions. Enjoy!Join our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsMeteo Pace AppCure Hydration
#34 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Reflection after running 2:06 and 2:09, What a weekend!
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#33 Ben Rosario - Running Industry Insider, Professional Coach and Founder of NAZ Elite, Race Director, Running Store Owner
We sat down with Ben Rosario to chat about his life in the running world. From owning running stores, founding a professional running team NAZ elite, driving sponsorship into the team with Hoka, owning and running The Marathon Project, his best coaching memories and more. Ben shares his thoughts and opinions on how to make the sport continue to grow and tells us what his blowing his mind about the current current boom.Meteo Pace AppCure HydrationZBioticsJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsCheck out our former sponor The Marathon Project if you want to run fast in December of 2026. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on May 1st!Chapters00:00 The Evolution of Running14:13 The Marathon Project25:56 Career Paths in Running34:24 The Evolution of Running Booms
#32 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Edition, Deep Dive into our Boston Builds, Will the World Champs Marathon be Successful? How Hard is it to Make Multiple US Olympic Marathon Teams?
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#31 - Listener Call In Show, We answer your marathon questions and discuss all the hot takes.
This week we have a Listener Call In Show, which is a new take on our mailbag episodes. 6 guest appear to throw us their questions and takes for discussion. Please join our newsletter and check out our YouTube Channels as well. The podcast will also be on YouTube as well as our normal podcast services going forward! Let us know what you think in the comments.Join our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramJacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsThanks to for sponsoring todays show - check out our link for 20% off your order.
#30 Ed Eyestone - From being an Olympian to Coaching Them, Elite Marathon Training Philosophy, What's Difference in Today's Era of Running and Training
Be sure to check out our show notes and sign up for our newsletter if you want the details on our Out & Back Boston Marathon Shakeout Run - we'll have some merch there as well!Today we are joined by the legend Ed Eyestone. Coach Eyestone has seen ever era of running from amateurism to super shoes. We talk about his running career, his transition to coaching, how he coaches the marathon, today's NCAA ever changing landscape, what makes Utah produce such good runners, and we also answer some great listener questions about his training philosophy. Join our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsThank you to The Marathon Project for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st!
#29 Phil Sesemann - London Marathon Training, Linking up with Alex Yee and Emile Cairess, Achieving the Olympic Dream + a NYC Half Marathon Debrief from Jacob and Rory
In this two-part episode, Rory and Jacob recap the NYC United Airlines Half Marathon, breaking down their race performances, key takeaways, and how it impacts their build toward the Boston Marathon.Then, we’re joined by elite British marathoner and Olympian Dr. Phil Sesemann. Phil has already run 2:07 twice in 2025 and is aiming for a top 10 finish at the London Marathon for the 4th time in his career.In this conversation, we dive into elite marathon training, periodization, race strategy, and what it takes to perform at the highest level of the sport. Phil shares insights on marathon preparation, pacing tactics, and how he balances professional running with family life.We also go behind the scenes of training with some of the best athletes in the world, including Olympic gold medalist Alex Yee and 2:06 marathoner Emile Cairess, who finished 4th at the Olympic Marathon.If you’re interested in marathon training, Boston Marathon prep, elite running insights, or learning how the pros approach race day, this episode is packed with value.Join our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsThank you to The Marathon Project for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st! Check out our podcast sponsor CURE here:curehydration.com/OUTANDBACK
#28 Conner Mantz - Lessons from Injury, Boston Build, Training Insights
Conner’s StravaConner Mantz Shokz DocumentaryJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteSandyBoy ProductionsThank you to The Marathon Project for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st! Today we are joined by American Record Holder Conner Mantz. We talk about the lessons he has learned from the biggest injury in his career, his Boston build up so far, and about his teammates and training environment with coaching legend Ed Eyestone in Provo, UT.
#27 Between Reps - Ethan Shuley's Training Deep Dive, Grant Fisher’s Half Debut, USATF Half Marathon Disaster, Boston Marathon Training Updates
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#26 Dakotah Popehn - Boston Marathon, Minnesota Distance Elite, Overdistance Long Runs
Check out our links below!In this episode, pro marathoner Dakotah discusses her training strategies, altitude training in Utah, race tactics for Heart Break Hill, and insights into the Boston Marathon course. She shares practical tips for marathon preparation and the importance of mental resilience in marathon training. We also talk about her coach, Chris Lundstrom, his training philosophy, and what he has been able to do with the MN Distance Elite Team, even without a corporate sponsor. Dakotah's StravaJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#25 Jess Tonn McClain - Boston Marathon, Marathon Fueling, Bicarb for Long Races, Keeping Training Fun, Lower Mileage Approach to the Marathon
Today we sit down with Jess Tonn McClain who was the top American at the 2025 Boston Marathon, 8th place at the 2025 World Championships Marathon, 4th place at the 2024 Olympic Trials Marathon. She will be on the start line with Jacob & Rory at the 2026 Boston Marathon as well.We chat about her Boston Marathon specific training, about stepping away from pro running, and then finding her groove in the marathon post covid. She shares how she enjoys life outside of training and keeps professional running fun.Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#24 Between Reps - Pacing the AR attempt, Upcoming races, Marathon Myths, Does the treadmill count?
If you enjoy this podcast - please give us a follow and leave a review - It helps the show a ton! Check out our links below.In this episode of the Out and Back Podcast, Jacob and Rory discuss their current training experiences, including Jacob's time in Barcelona where he is pacing for an American record attempt, while Rory races the Mesa Half Marathon. They also share insights from their recent podcast with Brady Homer, updates on upcoming races, and the importance of joining Sandy Boy Productions. The conversation touches on marathon myths, the effectiveness of treadmill workouts, and how to manage health and illness during training. They wrap up with a discussion on listener engagement and future guests.Need a coach? Check out our links below:Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteSandyBoy Productions
#23 Brady Holmer - What really matters when it comes to sleep, caffeine, ketones, lactate training
Check out our links below!We welcomed back our first-ever returning guest, Brady Holmer, for a wide-ranging conversation on performance, recovery, and the details that actually move the needle.We cover everything from Diet Coke and caffeine’s role in performance to what truly matters for sleep and recovery—including optimal sleep routines, practical sleep hygiene tips, and simple adjustments athletes can make right away. Brady breaks down key recovery and readiness metrics like HRV, respiratory rate, and resting heart rate, and how to interpret them in real training contexts.We also dive into lactate clearance, training adaptations, and supplement strategies, including when (and when not) to use ketones, sodium bicarbonate, and Nomio. Throughout the episode, we focus on science-backed, practical approaches to optimizing endurance performance without overcomplicating the process.If you’re interested in training smarter, recovering better, and understanding the “why” behind the data, this one’s for you.Brady's XJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#22 - Mailbag, Boston Marathon Fields, Training Updates
Please give the podcast a follow, a 5 star review, and share with a friend with you enjoyed today's episde. Today Rory and Jacob break down the Boston Marathon elite fields, give an update on their training, and answer some loyal listener questions.Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#21 Eric Floberg - Floberg Runs, Dad Strength, Discipline, Authenticity in Content Creation, Marathon Training in Chicago
Eric's InstagramEric's YoutubeJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteSummaryIn this episode, Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson sit down with Eric Floberg, a unique figure in the running community known for his engaging YouTube content and inspiring journey in the sport. They discuss Eric's late start in running, his experiences with marathons, the intersection of running and business, and the importance of family in his life. The conversation also touches on Eric's approach to content creation, his recent philanthropic efforts through running, and his training focus as he prepares for upcoming races, including the Boston Marathon.
#20 Josh Hoey - Indoor 600 World Record, New Training, New Balance Grand Prix, Wanamaker Mile, Bicarb, and Favorite War Movies
In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, host Jacob Thomson and co-host Chris Striegel welcome elite 800-meter runner Josh Hoey. They discuss Josh's recent world record in the 600 meters, his training methods, and the importance of speed endurance. Josh shares insights into his upcoming races, adjustments to his training schedule, and the significance of altitude training in Flagstaff. The conversation also touches on the evolution of racing strategies in the 800 meters, the impact of technology on training, and advice for aspiring young athletes.Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#19 - Canadian Record, Rory runs 59:49 at the Houston Half Marathon
Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteIn this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Rory Linkletter shares his experience of breaking the Canadian half marathon record. He discusses the immediate aftermath of the race, including drug testing and media obligations, and reflects on the race dynamics, training strategies, and the importance of competition. Rory emphasizes the significance of community support in running and shares his future goals and plans for upcoming races. The conversation highlights the impact of young athletes in the sport and the importance of maintaining a healthy mindset in training and competition.
#18 - Houston Marathon Preview, What's in & What's out for 2026
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#17 JP Flavin - Marathon Project Champion, Brooks Hansons Distance Project, in collaboration with John Gay from the Shakeout Podcast
Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteWe're kicking off 2026 with a special New Year's Day episode featuring guest host John Gay from the Shakeout Podcast for a conversation with recently crowned The Marathon Project champion JP Flavin, fresh off his win and new lifetime best of 2:09:18. The pros-only event was held in Chandler, Arizona last week.Flavin, a member of the Michigan-based Brooks Hansons Original Distance Project team, discusses his build up for his most recent event and his year-over-year progression in the marathon, with a personal best in each of his last five showings. In addition, JP talks about his decision to move up to the event right out of university, and whether other young distance runners should consider making the jump earlier in their careers. The crew also talks training, fuelling and marathon peaking, while laying out the biggest storylines heading into the new year.Give JP Flavin a follow @JFlavinP
#16 Between Reps with Chris - Training Updates, most Overrated, Underrated, and Misunderstood things in Running, How much Volume is too much?
Join Jacob, Rory, and Chris as they dive into a good ole banter style episode that feels like a run with friends. From debating the most overrated running trends to sharing outrageous hot takes, this episode is packed with laughs and unexpected insights. Don't miss out on the fun—tune in and let us know if you agree with our spicy opinions! Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#15 Joe Whelan - 6 marathons in 1 year, 2:09 at CIM
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#14 Johannes Motschmann - 140 mile weeks, 2:10 Marathon, Best Training Camps
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#13 - CIM & US Champs Preview, Taper Time, Key Workouts in the Build, Fuel Plan
If you enjoyed this episode - please give us a review and follow!Today we discuss the upcoming California International Marathon (CIM), which is also the USATF Marathon Championships. Go through Jacob's build up, race strategy, and expectations for the competition. We delve into tapering, carb loading, and fueling strategies. We also talk about the rest of the competitive field at CIM. The conversation highlights the excitement surrounding marathon racing and the camaraderie among athletes as they prepare for race day.Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#12 Mica Rivera Wood - Building Instagram and Youtube to 100k, Marathon Debut, Training with Ed Eyestone's group
If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a follow and share it with a friend!Mica Rivera Wood discusses balancing being a creator and an elite runner, her decision to transition from track to marathon running. She reflects on her initial fears and the excitement she feels about taking on this new challenge. Mica shares her thoughts on her potential in both track and marathon running, emphasizing the joy of embracing new experiences in her athletic journey.The Woodsrun InstagramMica's YoutubeJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#11 Brady Holmer - Vo2 Max, How to Increase Volume Safely, Heat Training for Performance, Sub 2:20 at CIM.
Please give us a follow at the links below and share with a friend. Today we chat with Brady Holmer. This was a very science heavy episode. We cover Vo2 Max training in marathons, how to increase volume, marathon fueling, heat training for performance, Brady's personal goals for the upcoming CIM race and more.Follow Brady:SubstackTwitterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website
#10 Ran to Japan - Why is Japan so deep in the marathon? Running Youtube, 2:38 to 2:13 Marathon, Olympic Dreams, Building a Community
Please give us a follow, share this episode with a friend, and check out our socials!Join the nearly 100k subs Jake has on YouTube here:Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s WebsiteToday are joined by Jake Bearclough, better know as Ran to Japan. We explore the cultural differences in running training between Japanese and American runners, find our why Japan is so good at the marathon, highlight the differences in training. We also dive into the world of Running Youtube and hear a very cool story about Jake moving from the UK to the US to Japan to chase his running dreams.
#9 - Biya Simbassa, 2:06 Marathoner, Top American Seed at New York City Marathon
Please do us a massive favor and like, rate, and share the podcast if you enjoy it!Biya is a former teammate and training partner of both Jacob and Rory. We got to chat with Biya about his new coaching set up with Ian Carter and the workouts that lead to his 2:06 Marathon in Valencia last year. We touch on his fueling and race strategies. We chat about the competition in New York City Marathon and what Biya has done to prepare for the course.Join our Strava groupFollow us:Rory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramRory’s Youtube Jacob’s Website